Comments on: You vicious bastards

By: John Prill

John Prill — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:58:15 +0000

The Police, The English Police Force Anyway Like Every Westminster Political Party, Need To Be Destroyed Utterly. There Is No Other Option, You Have To Find The Living Centre Of The Police Force And Cut/Curve Them Down With The Instruments Of The Physical World. No Mercy, No Humanity, No Remorse, Only What Is Neccesary And What Is Satisfying. I Promise You My Solution Is Coming Soon

By: Carnival of Socialism « Harpymarx

Carnival of Socialism « Harpymarx — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:29:43 +0000

[...] rightly angry that vicious bastard cops indulging in violence, along with eye witness accounts, the sense of deja vu regarding the [...]

By: Sim-O

Sim-O — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:58:00 +0000

Wise words, Daniel. Wise words indeed.

Take care.

By: Daniel Hoffmann-Gill

Daniel Hoffmann-Gill — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:18:12 +0000

I think the coppers, like social workers, teacher, tyouth workers and medical staff as well as firemen are used ofr political purposes, they all follow and agenda set by the party of power.

I worked for Connexions for many years and the way I had to deal with young people was seriously constrained by government policy, it is the same thing, in the sense that, yes the police are acting on government’s rubbish and harmful ideas but they are, to one degree or another, the puppets, not the puppet masters.

I’m reading plenty of very good blogs, like this one, who are jumping all over the police, just as right wing blogs jumped all over Social Services.

As always, a middle ground is best, acknowledging that the man in question was wrong and deserves punishment, investigating police practice and government legislation by all means but tarring a whole number of good people, putting their lives at risk every day for the public good is not the best way forward in my opinion.

Peace.

By: Sim-O

Sim-O — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:02:11 +0000

Social services can do some awful things.
For instance, when a child is taken from its’ natural family and adopted into another. If it turns out that the original family were blameless, that adoption is non-reversable. The natural parents have lost a child.

But. The powers of social services (at the moment) aren’t used for political purposes, on behalf of the ruling classes.
Coppers now regularly use anti-terror legslation to frighten people. Most might not realise they are doing it, but it is happening.

By: Daniel Hoffmann-Gill

Daniel Hoffmann-Gill — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:17:24 +0000

Fair enough, how about social workers then? They are ‘tools of the state, under the control of a single authority and you, rightly so, along with many others, defended the broadbrush stroke treatment of the entire profession in many terrible tabloid newspapers.

As it should be and all I’m suggesting is that the same caution should be given to the police and the awful errors of a few officers.

By: Sim-O

Sim-O — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:11:59 +0000

The difference is, all muslims are not i) tools of the state ii) under the control of a single authority (I know there are different police authorities but they all come under the home secretary).

I am not singling out police officers for criticism, but the commissioners and the people that control the police. It is those people that enoble the force to be able to behave how it does, from removing lapel numbers to arbitrary use of anti-terror legislation and powers that encroach on civil liberties to the tactics used in these situations.

By: Daniel Hoffmann-Gill

Daniel Hoffmann-Gill — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:11:12 +0000

What happened was indeed wrong and I hope the person is question is punished but dismissing the entire police force as vicious bastards is wrong.

It’s a tough job.

If any fool wanted to dismiss all Muslims as murdering bastards because of the atrocities carried out by some of them we’d leap on them, rightly so, as bigots.